Comments on: Dressing psychologists as wizards in court

By: Karen Franklin

Karen Franklin — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 16:55:51 +0000

Hey Vaughan,
Looks like you stirred up some people. ;-} For those who are interested, I just dug up some more background on this wizard amendment, and posted it at my blog: http://bit.ly/wizardlaw.
Karen

By: Uncle Buck

Uncle Buck — Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:22:06 +0000

Psychology and psychiatry is just plain crap.
It is a shame that any one or any court would put faith in what psychologists and psychiatriats say.
I can’t believe people actually believe these idiots.

By: HeHe

HeHe — Sat, 11 Feb 2012 11:03:11 +0000

I’ve been attacked in various ways by multiple psychiatrists from Harvard. One with Asperger’s who does not see mind space battered me relentlessly for years and escalated to stalking me at my apartment calling me incompetent, psychotic and unethical. This is after he nearly killed 7 people in a fire and before killed a disabled female patient in an unethical research study.

By: Mitch

Mitch — Fri, 10 Feb 2012 18:58:11 +0000

Much of Medicine, at least initially also relies on educated guesses as well–based on symptoms that tend to fit for a massive number of potential diagnoses. Psychology has very few biometric tests that can be performed, and most never are, nor do many health plans want to pay for such things. A lot of people on medications that should have blood serums taken, or metabolites checked on occasion, or liver functioning tested, aren’t being done by MD’s. I would agree that human beings are so amazingly complex, that given that every human brain basically is unique–even the efforts at “hard science” often fall short–or merely become a snapshot of people’s brains that change to fit the environment/behaviors etc.

I do think that too many Psychologists and most especially Psychiatrists that testify in court, are paid to be overly confident and sell the courtroom, for evaluations that again tend to be snapshots of people. I’ve seen Psychiatrists give contradictory testimony about clients, based purely on 20minute consults with people, and no psychometric testing. Psychologists at least use Psychometrics as part of the assessment process, not merely interviews. I think it is wizadry, for some to predict that someone will not commit a crime again in the future–that I find to be incredibly arrogant, if not ignorant. Data is pretty clear, that sadly, Prisons don’t rehab hardly anyone, and that if people have a pattern of disturbing behavior, they often go back to it at some point in the future, or at the very least should be consider high risk to do so.

By: Madeline

Madeline — Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:40:03 +0000

Kathy, if you know of any way to make matters of the mind less subjective, I would love to know. I’ve got major depression, and the fact that the only way to gauge my medication’s effectiveness is to look at my thoughts and behaviors drives me nuts, but, at the moment, it’s the only way available. Yes, some of it is psycho-babble, but most psychologists and psychiatrists are doing the best they can with the tools they have. Yes, someday neuroscience may provide harder answers, but, until then, give psychology some respect.

By: Jim

Jim — Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:32:46 +0000

There was a great NPR episode on This American Life where they told of how a lawyer tried to use a chicken to prove how stupid a psychologist or psychiatrist was. The “expert” asserted the defendant was competent because he could play a game of tick-tac toe. The lawyer found a carnival chicken that could play tic-tac toe and brought it into the courtroom but was sadly dismissed before impressing the jury.

By: Scott Freng

Scott Freng — Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:02:34 +0000

Kathy,

Clearly, you have never worked with or have any experience with cognitive or social psychologists. Never a good idea to generalize to a whole field from experiences with a few “therapists”.

By: HeHe

HeHe — Sun, 05 Feb 2012 11:09:07 +0000

Child-custody expert cleared after posting lewd photos – latimes.com
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/child-custody-expert-cleared-after-posting-lewd-photos.html

By: kathy lowen

kathy lowen — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:43:02 +0000

The whole notion of psychology as a “science” (more than an “art”) is ridiculous. And anyone with any experience in the field, knows how well “psycho-babble” can be used and abused to mask the therapists own feelings. Although neurobiology seems to be slowly shaping up to take its place, as a much more objective and repeatable diagnostic tool.

By: peterwheelbarrow

peterwheelbarrow — Sat, 04 Feb 2012 15:13:17 +0000

When I first encountered Richard Bandler, with his wife Leslie and his partner John Grinder at a one week pow-wow in California, he looked and behaved like a prince – lotsa magic.
Years later at a presentation in Toronto – like Dorian Grey’s painting – the prince was no more, in his place a depressing apparition.
What happened to the magic???