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		<title>By: generala1</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/10/19/the-psychiatry-of-vegetarianism/#comment-53676</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 01:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very wise text Raine.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very wise text Raine.</p>
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		<title>By: jonaypelluz</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/10/19/the-psychiatry-of-vegetarianism/#comment-32449</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It has been a long way, but it looks we are winning somehow respect, at least nowadays a lot of people understand vegetarianism and they respect it, it is still a long way but now it is much better than 200 years ago.

Thanks for the post, I will look for more information about hese things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It has been a long way, but it looks we are winning somehow respect, at least nowadays a lot of people understand vegetarianism and they respect it, it is still a long way but now it is much better than 200 years ago.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post, I will look for more information about hese things.</p>
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		<title>By: rita</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/10/19/the-psychiatry-of-vegetarianism/#comment-24303</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 20:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It never occurred to me, as a vegan, that we were trying to take the joy out of food, rather that we are trying to end the appalling suffering that goes into the omnivore diet - as far as the health/immortality thing goes, the description &quot;vegan&quot; applied to someone implies only one thing, namely an ethical approach to life which involves minimising harm to one&#039;s fellow earthlings, fellow humans and the planet.  There are excellent vegan nutrition blogs - Jack Norris and Ginny Messina spring to mind so most vegans are well informed about the need for B12 supplements - which is where stalled nonhumans destined to be eaten by humans get theirs - and so forth.  There are also innumerable excellent sources for vegan recipes all over the web and bookshops, in every language under the sun.  I think veganism is a bit more developed (don&#039;t forget that vegan diets have the stamp of approval of the American Society of Dieticians) than perhaps you have realised - I hope you have a better time from now on finding out about it!  The real &quot;Joy of Cooking&quot; - and eating - comes from finishing a tasty and balanced meal and being able to say &quot;....and no-one was hurt&quot;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never occurred to me, as a vegan, that we were trying to take the joy out of food, rather that we are trying to end the appalling suffering that goes into the omnivore diet &#8211; as far as the health/immortality thing goes, the description &#8220;vegan&#8221; applied to someone implies only one thing, namely an ethical approach to life which involves minimising harm to one&#8217;s fellow earthlings, fellow humans and the planet.  There are excellent vegan nutrition blogs &#8211; Jack Norris and Ginny Messina spring to mind so most vegans are well informed about the need for B12 supplements &#8211; which is where stalled nonhumans destined to be eaten by humans get theirs &#8211; and so forth.  There are also innumerable excellent sources for vegan recipes all over the web and bookshops, in every language under the sun.  I think veganism is a bit more developed (don&#8217;t forget that vegan diets have the stamp of approval of the American Society of Dieticians) than perhaps you have realised &#8211; I hope you have a better time from now on finding out about it!  The real &#8220;Joy of Cooking&#8221; &#8211; and eating &#8211; comes from finishing a tasty and balanced meal and being able to say &#8220;&#8230;.and no-one was hurt&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/10/19/the-psychiatry-of-vegetarianism/#comment-24293</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 13:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seeing this late. But something I thought of. 

People think vegetarians and vegans are cranky, I think, because too often vegans especially seem to want to take the joy out of food. 

I know this isn&#039;t true of everyone and I myself cook vegan/vegetarian a lot. But I notice that most vegan food is simply awful. And few vegans I have met take joy in eating. It&#039;s like penance. 

In fact, I cold draw some interesting parallels between people who say they are vegans because they don&#039;t want to be cruel to animals, and those who have dietary restrictions because they are concerned for the state of their souls. There&#039;s even a whiff of a desire for immortality -- people claim all kinds of (I think overblown) benefits for vegan diets that amount to saying they want to live forever. Not that health is a bad thing, but it&#039;s almost like &quot;I am a better person as a vegan, and will live forever too.&quot; Even though the food itself is often pretty terrible. That&#039;s the penance element that creeps into any vegan dietary practices for a lot of people. 

There&#039;s also bad vegan practice, in which people forget that if you are going to eat no animal products whatsoever you need to replace certain nutrients that are just easier for the human body to metabolize. (We aren&#039;t ruminants, after all) and if you need vitamin supplements, you&#039;re doing it wrong. You should be able to get every nutrient you need from food (outside of certain medical conditions like allergies). 

This, by the way, seems to be exclusive to vegans and veggies I meet who were raised in western cultures. Most of my favorite recipes that involve no meat are from India, Africa and Eastern Asia and those folks always seem to be having a lot more fun with it. And there is a movement among some vegans to cook better food. (Hint: never, ever use a meat substitute unless and until you know how to cook a vegetable. Your tastebuds will thank you. And why are you using meat substitute anyway?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing this late. But something I thought of. </p>
<p>People think vegetarians and vegans are cranky, I think, because too often vegans especially seem to want to take the joy out of food. </p>
<p>I know this isn&#8217;t true of everyone and I myself cook vegan/vegetarian a lot. But I notice that most vegan food is simply awful. And few vegans I have met take joy in eating. It&#8217;s like penance. </p>
<p>In fact, I cold draw some interesting parallels between people who say they are vegans because they don&#8217;t want to be cruel to animals, and those who have dietary restrictions because they are concerned for the state of their souls. There&#8217;s even a whiff of a desire for immortality &#8212; people claim all kinds of (I think overblown) benefits for vegan diets that amount to saying they want to live forever. Not that health is a bad thing, but it&#8217;s almost like &#8220;I am a better person as a vegan, and will live forever too.&#8221; Even though the food itself is often pretty terrible. That&#8217;s the penance element that creeps into any vegan dietary practices for a lot of people. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s also bad vegan practice, in which people forget that if you are going to eat no animal products whatsoever you need to replace certain nutrients that are just easier for the human body to metabolize. (We aren&#8217;t ruminants, after all) and if you need vitamin supplements, you&#8217;re doing it wrong. You should be able to get every nutrient you need from food (outside of certain medical conditions like allergies). </p>
<p>This, by the way, seems to be exclusive to vegans and veggies I meet who were raised in western cultures. Most of my favorite recipes that involve no meat are from India, Africa and Eastern Asia and those folks always seem to be having a lot more fun with it. And there is a movement among some vegans to cook better food. (Hint: never, ever use a meat substitute unless and until you know how to cook a vegetable. Your tastebuds will thank you. And why are you using meat substitute anyway?)</p>
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		<title>By: amtheyst</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/10/19/the-psychiatry-of-vegetarianism/#comment-23281</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From a religious point of view i believe eating another animal is wrong, plants dont feel  as much pain (a plant cannot cry out when he is being hacked up for cheese burgers)

So even if as a vegetarian im cranky, its simple, dont irritate me. there are much greater mental problems for people to deal with, and being grumpy shouldnt even be on the list.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a religious point of view i believe eating another animal is wrong, plants dont feel  as much pain (a plant cannot cry out when he is being hacked up for cheese burgers)</p>
<p>So even if as a vegetarian im cranky, its simple, dont irritate me. there are much greater mental problems for people to deal with, and being grumpy shouldnt even be on the list.</p>
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		<title>By: Quarta-Feira Bizarra &#8211; O Segredo do Vegetarianismo &#171; Coisas Aleatórias</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Raine</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is the sadness, that we don&#039;t think too much about where that food comes from (or we do but don&#039;t tell any one) and have a healthy thinking pattern that can digest all facts in a way that makes one happy to have been able to eat, drink and be merry, and count one&#039;s blessings, for as we know, too many people, young and old; animals and nature, are suffering fates that the privileged cannot fathom...  it is so scary to know that some living creations die from malnutrition, thirst and disease that could so easily be prevented with a tap of running water and a simple meal...  of course, before anyone bites my head off, I do know how hard it is to supply water to every one on the planet and to have a supply of food for every one on the planet in the face of wars, feuds, disputes, ownership issues, &quot;some one else will do it&quot; syndrome, lack of funds, inaccessibility, storage, infrastructure, religion, science, weather, etc. etc....  and on top of that, I know how hard people have tried and worked and set up &quot;things&quot; so that all have access and then things just get broken and they become disheartened and feel that they are wasting their time/money/energy...  i don&#039;t have answers that can solve all the problems, but I do know this:  without water and food I&#039;m not going to make it, no matter whether it is vegan, carniverous, organic or whatever...  and I shall then have to go on to the other side, passing over or however it is written in your books.... to perhaps a place where there is order and not the chaos that exists in some places on this planet i call home...  i&#039;m terrified to post this, but I shall, hoping that it will just be viewed as my point of view and not an instruction or concreted thought for those who read it...  it&#039;s just conversation between bites and draughts...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is the sadness, that we don&#8217;t think too much about where that food comes from (or we do but don&#8217;t tell any one) and have a healthy thinking pattern that can digest all facts in a way that makes one happy to have been able to eat, drink and be merry, and count one&#8217;s blessings, for as we know, too many people, young and old; animals and nature, are suffering fates that the privileged cannot fathom&#8230;  it is so scary to know that some living creations die from malnutrition, thirst and disease that could so easily be prevented with a tap of running water and a simple meal&#8230;  of course, before anyone bites my head off, I do know how hard it is to supply water to every one on the planet and to have a supply of food for every one on the planet in the face of wars, feuds, disputes, ownership issues, &#8220;some one else will do it&#8221; syndrome, lack of funds, inaccessibility, storage, infrastructure, religion, science, weather, etc. etc&#8230;.  and on top of that, I know how hard people have tried and worked and set up &#8220;things&#8221; so that all have access and then things just get broken and they become disheartened and feel that they are wasting their time/money/energy&#8230;  i don&#8217;t have answers that can solve all the problems, but I do know this:  without water and food I&#8217;m not going to make it, no matter whether it is vegan, carniverous, organic or whatever&#8230;  and I shall then have to go on to the other side, passing over or however it is written in your books&#8230;. to perhaps a place where there is order and not the chaos that exists in some places on this planet i call home&#8230;  i&#8217;m terrified to post this, but I shall, hoping that it will just be viewed as my point of view and not an instruction or concreted thought for those who read it&#8230;  it&#8217;s just conversation between bites and draughts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rita</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/10/19/the-psychiatry-of-vegetarianism/#comment-22651</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m vegan and when people say they think veggies are unhappy bunch  - this is usually in the middle of some hackneyed set of excuses for why they&#039;re not - plus of course the protein nonsense, tell it to the American dietetic association who endorse vegan diets from cradle to grave - I have to say that a) it&#039;s not my experience, but b) when you actually think what happens to millions of honhumans every day, it can be a bit of a downer.  Do these people never get sad when they think of fellow humans being oppressed, exploited and killed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m vegan and when people say they think veggies are unhappy bunch  &#8211; this is usually in the middle of some hackneyed set of excuses for why they&#8217;re not &#8211; plus of course the protein nonsense, tell it to the American dietetic association who endorse vegan diets from cradle to grave &#8211; I have to say that a) it&#8217;s not my experience, but b) when you actually think what happens to millions of honhumans every day, it can be a bit of a downer.  Do these people never get sad when they think of fellow humans being oppressed, exploited and killed?</p>
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		<title>By: Raine Carosin</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/10/19/the-psychiatry-of-vegetarianism/#comment-22562</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2011 00:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...I personally feel better than when I&#039;ve eaten some lamb or fish or other creature than once saw, felt and lived...  but then, the bacteria under the microscope looks like it also sees, feels and lives, so I&#039;ve opted to eat what I can stomach and live with...  i totally prefer not to eat flesh, but one cannot get away from consuming something that &quot;lived&quot; before...  I took a close up look at wheat and saw the &quot;embryo&quot; in the wheat and thought:  WHAT NOW?  I conclude that the thinking species has always tried to find a way to be &quot;on the good side&quot; of life, but can do little to nothing when the true scale of things are balanced...  it&#039;s a weird world, true story, and there is always a way to feel &quot;saved&quot; from the immense cruelty that takes place right under our noses on a daily basis by continuing our faith, whatever it may be...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;I personally feel better than when I&#8217;ve eaten some lamb or fish or other creature than once saw, felt and lived&#8230;  but then, the bacteria under the microscope looks like it also sees, feels and lives, so I&#8217;ve opted to eat what I can stomach and live with&#8230;  i totally prefer not to eat flesh, but one cannot get away from consuming something that &#8220;lived&#8221; before&#8230;  I took a close up look at wheat and saw the &#8220;embryo&#8221; in the wheat and thought:  WHAT NOW?  I conclude that the thinking species has always tried to find a way to be &#8220;on the good side&#8221; of life, but can do little to nothing when the true scale of things are balanced&#8230;  it&#8217;s a weird world, true story, and there is always a way to feel &#8220;saved&#8221; from the immense cruelty that takes place right under our noses on a daily basis by continuing our faith, whatever it may be&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Raine Carosin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 21:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!!!!</p>
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