Comments on: A response to the Baroness

By: Frederic Peters

Frederic Peters — Sat, 03 Sep 2011 20:49:40 +0000

Vaughan,

I’m utterly amazed that a person of your insight would continue to insist that Dr. Geenfield has good intentions. She was forcibly removed from her most recent appointment for attempting to bankrupt the organization. Call a spade a spade Vaughan– I KNOW you are not that naive.

By: Steve Merrick

Steve Merrick — Mon, 22 Aug 2011 08:19:27 +0000

I’m afraid I DON’T think the professor’s intentions are good. She’s used this ploy quite a few times now, to panic and bulldoze members of the public into accepting her views on the matter in hand. This kind of manipulative propaganda is unforgivable from a prominent representative of science.

By: terry33

terry33 — Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:03:40 +0000

On the subject of technology and scientific evidence, what I find very frustrating is that even though children (especially young children) spend way more time watching TV/videos than they do playing video games or surfing the net, there
have been almost no recent laboratory studies looking at the effects of watching TV on the brain.

Back in 1971 Herbert Krugman published a study showing that a person’s brainwaves slow down while watching TV (compared to reading).

http://books.google.com/books?id=VLh-LSg6GyAC&pg=PA143&dq=How+Advertising+Works+neuropsychological&sig=b0X_h3u7Q4vXSK5cxtuDsd4pAfM#v=onepage&q&f=false

In 1979-1980 there were three more published studies which also found that people’s brainwaves slowed down while watching TV.

http://books.google.com/books?id=LsMgrGcJSHMC&pg=PA99&dq=eeg+everyday&sig=9vzN-AlwIX7MwWXEZLKbdiibP_s#v=onepage&q=eeg%20everyday&f=false

The only more recent laboratory studies that I have been able to find are:

“Subsequent work by Malach and colleagues has found that, when we’re engaged in intense “sensorimotor processing” – and nothing is more intense than staring at a massive screen with Dolby surround sound while wearing 3-D glasses – we actually inhibit these prefrontal areas. The scientists argue that such “inactivation” allows us to lose ourself in the movie”

http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2010/01/avatar.php

And since TV is king of involuntary attention:

“Gamma-band response was linked to voluntary shifts of attention, but not to the involuntary capture of attention. The presence of increased gamma responses for the voluntary allocation of attention, and its absence in cases of involuntary capture suggests that the neural mechanisms governing these two types of attention are different.”

http://www.jneurosci.org/content/27/44/11986.abstract

EEG equipment and computers are way more advanced than they were in 1980. I think it would be an important study to look at the effects of watching TV on brainwaves and then publishing the results.

For anyone with access to an EEG machine, this is a simple experiment to do. Just 10 minutes of TV watching compared to 10 minutes of other activities.

I did the experiment myself and found that overall brainwaves do slow down while watching TV compared to reading, drawing, playing a math game, playing guitar. Namely the Gamma brainwaves almost completely disappear while watching TV, but are active while engaging in other activities (especially drawing and playing guitar).

Here are the results, where I compare TV watching with reading and drawing:

http://www.tvsmarter.com/documents/brainwaves2.html

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By: Dorothy Bishop

Dorothy Bishop — Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:47:34 +0000

I’m glad they printed your letter. What needs explaining is why Greenfield has in the past couple of weeks had two articles in the Daily Mail, one in the Independent and one in the Guardian. She is saying nothing different to what she said 2 years ago. Yet the media continue to give her a platform.
As you point out, she wants other scientists to engage with her, but she doesn’t engage with those scientists who are working on the topics she talks about. Has she ever been to a conference with those working on internet impact, or published her ideas on this topic in a peer-reviewed journal?
It is important for scientists to start being more forthright in challenging her, and to make it clear to the media why she is not taken seriously by the scientific community. She would command more respect if she behaved like an Oxford professor is supposed to, i.e. demonstrate in-depth knowledge of the relevant literature, evaluate it in a balanced fashion, and avoid sensationalisation.

By: Paul

Paul — Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:25:57 +0000

I cry bull excrement to Prof. Greenfield’s so called arguments. Is she trying to justify her public employment or suffering from sudden onset neurosyphilis? Utter nonsense! Strip her of her qualifications and status. Cast her out of the House of Lords feeding trough I say!

By: Tom Michael

Tom Michael — Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:56:35 +0000

Well, this is the first time I’ve seen Prof. Greenfield use the word hypothesis in one of her articles, or cite any studies (even if one of them is a sciam article rather than peer reviewed).

I think that the critiques that you and other scientists (including a recent one by Uta Frith) are getting through – she’s now changing her argument by suggesting that people are stifling debate, when in fact what people were objecting to is that she talks to the media and presents her hypotheses as if they have evidence backing them up (with considerable face validity as a famous professor).

I think the best approach for people in the psychology research community to do at this point is to invite her to make more specific and testable hypotheses, and get some grants for a PhD student or five to do the research she is calling for (I daresay that Prof Greenfield can raise a bob or two).

By: Mike de Fleuriot

Mike de Fleuriot — Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:40:51 +0000

The point that I agree with here, is that while people should have concerns about things, they should personally make sure that there is a fire in the cinema before shouting fire. In fact, if one holds a public position, this is what is expected from them, no matter which side of what fence they are sitting on. It’s one of the unwritten duties that are entrusted with. And we, as members of the public, have our duty to keep reminding them of this.

By: Emmy

Emmy — Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:36:44 +0000

What I don’t understand is why she did not present the evidence in the article. That would have saved us all some time, would it have not?

What I’m wondering is how the radiation effects of cell phones (and perhaps of wi fi) can be seperated from behaviroal effects. Does brain damage not cause change in behavior? And we know that pluripotent cells in young brains could perhaps be more susceptible to cancerous changes from inflammation.

http://www.eloverkanslig.se/rapporter/Havas.pdf

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4042403.stm