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	<title>Comments on: Google, memory and the damp drawers Olympics</title>
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		<title>By: zoasterboy</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/07/18/google-memory-and-the-damp-drawers-olympics/#comment-20648</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zoasterboy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 22:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand the idea that it&#039;s not necessary to memorize information when it&#039;s always available, but my only concern is with the act of coming up with new ideas, by combining many old ones. Not old ideas readily accessible perhaps would lessen the likelihood of combination.

Then again, it could be the other way around, more vague/less concrete memories of a topic make it much more flexible in the mind, less grounded in absolute memorized fact but more of a vague understanding which is more readily combined with other vague understandings simply because one isn&#039;t stuck in a concrete well formed view.

Someone give me a grant!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the idea that it&#8217;s not necessary to memorize information when it&#8217;s always available, but my only concern is with the act of coming up with new ideas, by combining many old ones. Not old ideas readily accessible perhaps would lessen the likelihood of combination.</p>
<p>Then again, it could be the other way around, more vague/less concrete memories of a topic make it much more flexible in the mind, less grounded in absolute memorized fact but more of a vague understanding which is more readily combined with other vague understandings simply because one isn&#8217;t stuck in a concrete well formed view.</p>
<p>Someone give me a grant!</p>
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		<title>By: hopeisnotlost</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/07/18/google-memory-and-the-damp-drawers-olympics/#comment-20628</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hopeisnotlost]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 03:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In all fairness, why remember something when you could easily look up the information? couldn&#039;t that leave more virtual &quot;room&quot; for more important stuff?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In all fairness, why remember something when you could easily look up the information? couldn&#8217;t that leave more virtual &#8220;room&#8221; for more important stuff?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/07/18/google-memory-and-the-damp-drawers-olympics/#comment-20626</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 20:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In fairness, Aristotle raised the same concerns about newfangled information technology... you know, writing.

Which is not to say if the research is true or false, good for us or bad for us, only to say that I&#039;d be very interested in research which actually compared recall for information stored on line to information stored on paper (or in human form). This research isn&#039;t comparative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fairness, Aristotle raised the same concerns about newfangled information technology&#8230; you know, writing.</p>
<p>Which is not to say if the research is true or false, good for us or bad for us, only to say that I&#8217;d be very interested in research which actually compared recall for information stored on line to information stored on paper (or in human form). This research isn&#8217;t comparative.</p>
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		<title>By: Zetter</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/07/18/google-memory-and-the-damp-drawers-olympics/#comment-20621</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zetter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 01:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talking about memory, interesting programme on BBC Radio 4 that aired a few hours ago:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b012lj4m/Erased_Memories_and_Spotless_Minds/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about memory, interesting programme on BBC Radio 4 that aired a few hours ago:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b012lj4m/Erased_Memories_and_Spotless_Minds/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b012lj4m/Erased_Memories_and_Spotless_Minds/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/07/18/google-memory-and-the-damp-drawers-olympics/#comment-20603</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trevor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2011 03:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Never memorize something that you can look up.&quot; — Albert Einstein]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Never memorize something that you can look up.&#8221; — Albert Einstein</p>
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		<title>By: Emmy</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/07/18/google-memory-and-the-damp-drawers-olympics/#comment-20595</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emmy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2011 15:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen a gazillion posts on this latest research, and yours is the best write up (although in fairness to Ed, I haven&#039;t read his).    ;)     You&#039;re right that this brings up a bigger issue of how technology affects our brains, also I wonder how we would sort it all out if wi fi and cell phone radiation is causing physical changes to the brain as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen a gazillion posts on this latest research, and yours is the best write up (although in fairness to Ed, I haven&#8217;t read his).    <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />      You&#8217;re right that this brings up a bigger issue of how technology affects our brains, also I wonder how we would sort it all out if wi fi and cell phone radiation is causing physical changes to the brain as well.</p>
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		<title>By: neurobonkers</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/07/18/google-memory-and-the-damp-drawers-olympics/#comment-20582</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neurobonkers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 19:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I find funny is that so much of this research, critically the bit that allowed them to reference &quot;Google&quot; was based on a stroop test. Surely that&#039;s a massive confounding variable!

See my post here: http://neurobonkers.com/?p=3329

and neurocritic on the matter here: http://neurocritic.blogspot.com/2011/07/google-stroop-effect.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find funny is that so much of this research, critically the bit that allowed them to reference &#8220;Google&#8221; was based on a stroop test. Surely that&#8217;s a massive confounding variable!</p>
<p>See my post here: <a href="http://neurobonkers.com/?p=3329" rel="nofollow">http://neurobonkers.com/?p=3329</a></p>
<p>and neurocritic on the matter here: <a href="http://neurocritic.blogspot.com/2011/07/google-stroop-effect.html" rel="nofollow">http://neurocritic.blogspot.com/2011/07/google-stroop-effect.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan G</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/07/18/google-memory-and-the-damp-drawers-olympics/#comment-20579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ryan G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 14:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;So how can we promote content memory for important information? Probably something old-fashioned like exams.&quot;

Oh geez, that&#039;s both depressing and validating at the same time. Great read, as always.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So how can we promote content memory for important information? Probably something old-fashioned like exams.&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh geez, that&#8217;s both depressing and validating at the same time. Great read, as always.</p>
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		<title>By: Kat</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/07/18/google-memory-and-the-damp-drawers-olympics/#comment-20573</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 12:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[also well reported in Wired here: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/07/search-engine-memory/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>also well reported in Wired here: <a href="http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/07/search-engine-memory/" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/07/search-engine-memory/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Michael</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/07/18/google-memory-and-the-damp-drawers-olympics/#comment-20569</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Michael]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 08:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m old enough to remember the olden times, before we had the interwebs... Back then, if you wanted to find something out, you had to ask another person, or even go to look in a library.....

Now, we&#039;re in a strange situation where bandwidth is so huge that we can download far more information than we can ever process.  The real limits to our knowledge and productivity today are our attention capacity and processing speed, not bandwidth.  I have wondered what skills people need to develop in order to deal with the world as it currently is.

I think that one of the most important things is to be aware that we need to set up some kind of attention filter, by being mindful of what media and information we consume.  I don&#039;t just mean critical thinking skills to avoid believing everything we read in newspapers or online, I mean like some kind of cognitive version of a spam filter in our email.  For example, do I really need to read Mindhacks today?  Should I be processing something more PhD related? There are several references in my PhD which I&#039;ve found here over the years (e.g. the Voodoo Correlations in Social Neuroscience paper) so I&#039;ve decided its a useful if slightly random source of brain and psychology literature.  My facebook feed is more spam-like however.

Another skill I could develop that would be massively useful to enhance my productivity would be speed reading.  I have many friends who can read very much faster than they can speak, whereas I am stuck with an imaginary voice inside my head, processing words phonologically, (I think I remember more of the text than them though).

When it comes to memory, I have noticed my ability to track down the source, by remembering where to look, so the studies conclusions agree with my personal experience.  I&#039;ve also found that other external memory aids (like Endnote) make me feel as though my references are more organised *inside* my brain as well, as having them in groups by topic, and being able to recall them without error using the software makes me feel as though I&#039;m consolidating my knowledge each time I do it.  If I had to rely purely on my own memory recall abilities, I&#039;d likely confabulate and form some slightly false memories over time, as Loftus and others have shown (I can&#039;t remember what she calls these false memories, but I can remember her name to put into Google).  No doubt, if I read one of her memory papers again it will be slightly different to how I am remembering it now.

I think external sources of memory are fantastic, seeing as we know quite how fallible and subject to change human memory really is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m old enough to remember the olden times, before we had the interwebs&#8230; Back then, if you wanted to find something out, you had to ask another person, or even go to look in a library&#8230;..</p>
<p>Now, we&#8217;re in a strange situation where bandwidth is so huge that we can download far more information than we can ever process.  The real limits to our knowledge and productivity today are our attention capacity and processing speed, not bandwidth.  I have wondered what skills people need to develop in order to deal with the world as it currently is.</p>
<p>I think that one of the most important things is to be aware that we need to set up some kind of attention filter, by being mindful of what media and information we consume.  I don&#8217;t just mean critical thinking skills to avoid believing everything we read in newspapers or online, I mean like some kind of cognitive version of a spam filter in our email.  For example, do I really need to read Mindhacks today?  Should I be processing something more PhD related? There are several references in my PhD which I&#8217;ve found here over the years (e.g. the Voodoo Correlations in Social Neuroscience paper) so I&#8217;ve decided its a useful if slightly random source of brain and psychology literature.  My facebook feed is more spam-like however.</p>
<p>Another skill I could develop that would be massively useful to enhance my productivity would be speed reading.  I have many friends who can read very much faster than they can speak, whereas I am stuck with an imaginary voice inside my head, processing words phonologically, (I think I remember more of the text than them though).</p>
<p>When it comes to memory, I have noticed my ability to track down the source, by remembering where to look, so the studies conclusions agree with my personal experience.  I&#8217;ve also found that other external memory aids (like Endnote) make me feel as though my references are more organised *inside* my brain as well, as having them in groups by topic, and being able to recall them without error using the software makes me feel as though I&#8217;m consolidating my knowledge each time I do it.  If I had to rely purely on my own memory recall abilities, I&#8217;d likely confabulate and form some slightly false memories over time, as Loftus and others have shown (I can&#8217;t remember what she calls these false memories, but I can remember her name to put into Google).  No doubt, if I read one of her memory papers again it will be slightly different to how I am remembering it now.</p>
<p>I think external sources of memory are fantastic, seeing as we know quite how fallible and subject to change human memory really is.</p>
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