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		<title>By: Pangolin</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/01/09/a-violent-reaction-to-sad-news/#comment-17339</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2011 07:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s quite possible that young Jared Loughner was BOTH mentally ill AND he made a reasoned,  conscious decision to shoot the congressperson. 

My conclusion is based upon one indisputable fact. Mental health care and the expected living conditions of the mentally ill in the US are pathetic. 

He was presumed to be reasonably intelligent in a very odd way. It wouldn&#039;t take very long to discover that seeking treatment for his mental illness would have low chances of success. With his failure to &quot;act straight&quot; in community college he had no mean$ with which to secure a place in society. 

So he committed suicide by cop; and failed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s quite possible that young Jared Loughner was BOTH mentally ill AND he made a reasoned,  conscious decision to shoot the congressperson. </p>
<p>My conclusion is based upon one indisputable fact. Mental health care and the expected living conditions of the mentally ill in the US are pathetic. </p>
<p>He was presumed to be reasonably intelligent in a very odd way. It wouldn&#8217;t take very long to discover that seeking treatment for his mental illness would have low chances of success. With his failure to &#8220;act straight&#8221; in community college he had no mean$ with which to secure a place in society. </p>
<p>So he committed suicide by cop; and failed.</p>
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		<title>By: drtammyhaynes</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/01/09/a-violent-reaction-to-sad-news/#comment-16925</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just to let you know Jared Lee Loughner is mentally ill, he may even have a brain injury in his past. Take a look at some hallmark symptoms of Schizophrenia he clearly demonstrated as far back as high school and come back and tell me what you think. Read and view them here http://wp.me/1iuIe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to let you know Jared Lee Loughner is mentally ill, he may even have a brain injury in his past. Take a look at some hallmark symptoms of Schizophrenia he clearly demonstrated as far back as high school and come back and tell me what you think. Read and view them here <a href="http://wp.me/1iuIe" rel="nofollow">http://wp.me/1iuIe</a></p>
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		<title>By: MW</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/01/09/a-violent-reaction-to-sad-news/#comment-16650</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A great article Vaughan. As posted above by kharris, I too subscribe to this view that it&#039;s not simply one or the other, but the interaction of mental illness with cultural and societal forces (including here the media and availability of weapons in the US relative to other jurisdictions), and I&#039;m a psychiatrist as was kharris&#039; source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great article Vaughan. As posted above by kharris, I too subscribe to this view that it&#8217;s not simply one or the other, but the interaction of mental illness with cultural and societal forces (including here the media and availability of weapons in the US relative to other jurisdictions), and I&#8217;m a psychiatrist as was kharris&#8217; source.</p>
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		<title>By: kharris</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/01/09/a-violent-reaction-to-sad-news/#comment-16526</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But, but, but...all you&#039;ve done is elaborately beg the question - in the original sense of assuming the answer in the way you state the question.  Your assertion is that Palin&#039;s &quot;blood libel&quot; charge is justified, that the suggestion that political motives be examined must be politically motivated.  How, then, do we rely on the rest of what you have to say.  

How do we tell where illness stops and motivating factors begin?  Certainly not by lining up in partisan factions and insisting that one or the other is primary.  

Tell you what I did, for chuckles and because I have a firm belief in getting the views of people who know more than I do.  I asked a shrink - one who has experience with profoundly disturbed people.  I asked in a way that I intended not to imply my own view.  The answer was that the expression of mental illness is likely to be determined by environmental cues.  Nobody ever claimed to have a chip in their head controlling their activity until computer chips were a cultural artifact.  Nobody claimed that aliens were controlling their thoughts until the possibility of alien life forms was widely discussed.  Taking violent action against a member of a particular party with a gun is made more likely by a culture in which gun violence and violence against political opponents is widely discussed.  For the mentally ill and the crank alike.  So says the psychiatric pro.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But, but, but&#8230;all you&#8217;ve done is elaborately beg the question &#8211; in the original sense of assuming the answer in the way you state the question.  Your assertion is that Palin&#8217;s &#8220;blood libel&#8221; charge is justified, that the suggestion that political motives be examined must be politically motivated.  How, then, do we rely on the rest of what you have to say.  </p>
<p>How do we tell where illness stops and motivating factors begin?  Certainly not by lining up in partisan factions and insisting that one or the other is primary.  </p>
<p>Tell you what I did, for chuckles and because I have a firm belief in getting the views of people who know more than I do.  I asked a shrink &#8211; one who has experience with profoundly disturbed people.  I asked in a way that I intended not to imply my own view.  The answer was that the expression of mental illness is likely to be determined by environmental cues.  Nobody ever claimed to have a chip in their head controlling their activity until computer chips were a cultural artifact.  Nobody claimed that aliens were controlling their thoughts until the possibility of alien life forms was widely discussed.  Taking violent action against a member of a particular party with a gun is made more likely by a culture in which gun violence and violence against political opponents is widely discussed.  For the mentally ill and the crank alike.  So says the psychiatric pro.</p>
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		<title>By: Naigewron</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/01/09/a-violent-reaction-to-sad-news/#comment-16510</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am reminded of Vaughan&#039;s post on Dec. 10, a review of Paul Kix&#039;s &quot;The Loneliness of the Suicide Bomber&quot; article in the Boston Globe.

In Vaughan&#039;s review, he states:

&quot;The Boston Globe has an excellent article on whether suicide bombers are largely motivated by religious fanaticism or whether some might have symptoms of low mood and hopelessness that encourage them to end their lives.&quot;

The critical word is &quot;or&quot;. In Vaughan&#039;s Slate article, he states that &quot;We&#039;re too quick to use mental illness as an explanation for violence&quot;. 

- Yet Vaughan lauds praise on using mental illness as an explanation for suicide bombers.

Its pretty clear from Loughner&#039;s Internet ramblings, multiple public disturbances, etc. that he is severely mentally ill. Many people on the left are now trying to exploit this tragedy by linking Loughner&#039;s to enemies on the right. Perhaps I&#039;m mistaken, but I read Vaughan&#039;s Slate article as an attempt to bolster these attacks, to crack open the door for what another author aptly referred to as blood libels.

Suppose Loughner&#039;s mental illness had nothing to do with his violence. And further suppose he was motivated by &quot;political reasons&quot; to some degree. How exactly would you distinguish the illness from the politics? This is a man who cites both Mein Kampf and the Communist manifesto as favorite books, and keeps a potted plastic skull in a backyard shrine. Yet for reasons of political malice, the pundits are now speculating wildly on how he was influenced by Palin et al. Armchair speculation into Loughner&#039;s political views is deemed a legitimate line of inquiry, but questions about Loughner&#039;s mental state are derided. 

Oh, how the science suits the politics when convenient.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am reminded of Vaughan&#8217;s post on Dec. 10, a review of Paul Kix&#8217;s &#8220;The Loneliness of the Suicide Bomber&#8221; article in the Boston Globe.</p>
<p>In Vaughan&#8217;s review, he states:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Boston Globe has an excellent article on whether suicide bombers are largely motivated by religious fanaticism or whether some might have symptoms of low mood and hopelessness that encourage them to end their lives.&#8221;</p>
<p>The critical word is &#8220;or&#8221;. In Vaughan&#8217;s Slate article, he states that &#8220;We&#8217;re too quick to use mental illness as an explanation for violence&#8221;. </p>
<p>- Yet Vaughan lauds praise on using mental illness as an explanation for suicide bombers.</p>
<p>Its pretty clear from Loughner&#8217;s Internet ramblings, multiple public disturbances, etc. that he is severely mentally ill. Many people on the left are now trying to exploit this tragedy by linking Loughner&#8217;s to enemies on the right. Perhaps I&#8217;m mistaken, but I read Vaughan&#8217;s Slate article as an attempt to bolster these attacks, to crack open the door for what another author aptly referred to as blood libels.</p>
<p>Suppose Loughner&#8217;s mental illness had nothing to do with his violence. And further suppose he was motivated by &#8220;political reasons&#8221; to some degree. How exactly would you distinguish the illness from the politics? This is a man who cites both Mein Kampf and the Communist manifesto as favorite books, and keeps a potted plastic skull in a backyard shrine. Yet for reasons of political malice, the pundits are now speculating wildly on how he was influenced by Palin et al. Armchair speculation into Loughner&#8217;s political views is deemed a legitimate line of inquiry, but questions about Loughner&#8217;s mental state are derided. </p>
<p>Oh, how the science suits the politics when convenient.</p>
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		<title>By: rej</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/01/09/a-violent-reaction-to-sad-news/#comment-16476</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 00:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reactions to this shooting are becoming a bit bizarre.  In contrast to Vaughan&#039;s sober admonition not to rush to the &quot;mental illness&quot; conclusion, it appears the public is using the events as quite the political Rorschach test.  If we had done the same thing with Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan or Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab we would feel a bit uncomfortable, though, exploring the &quot;personal motives, out-of-control grievances or distorted political anger&quot; as it relates to radical Islam.  Uh oh...we should also recognize that disjointed thoughts will not congeal into a &quot;motive&quot; or &quot;political anger&quot; in any meaningful way unless we accept that our own stuff is in there, just as we see puppies and dinosaurs in clouds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reactions to this shooting are becoming a bit bizarre.  In contrast to Vaughan&#8217;s sober admonition not to rush to the &#8220;mental illness&#8221; conclusion, it appears the public is using the events as quite the political Rorschach test.  If we had done the same thing with Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan or Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab we would feel a bit uncomfortable, though, exploring the &#8220;personal motives, out-of-control grievances or distorted political anger&#8221; as it relates to radical Islam.  Uh oh&#8230;we should also recognize that disjointed thoughts will not congeal into a &#8220;motive&#8221; or &#8220;political anger&#8221; in any meaningful way unless we accept that our own stuff is in there, just as we see puppies and dinosaurs in clouds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/01/09/a-violent-reaction-to-sad-news/#comment-16458</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the article, it brings the truth that mental illness is the scapegoat of society and explanation for violence. I&#039;ve worked with the mentally ill and specially schizophrenics for over 12 years and never even witness any act of violence or felt unsafe. I even used to take a large group of them camping regularly (as part of their psychosocial rehab)without any incident. They were actually a lot of fun.
jay]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the article, it brings the truth that mental illness is the scapegoat of society and explanation for violence. I&#8217;ve worked with the mentally ill and specially schizophrenics for over 12 years and never even witness any act of violence or felt unsafe. I even used to take a large group of them camping regularly (as part of their psychosocial rehab)without any incident. They were actually a lot of fun.<br />
jay</p>
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		<title>By: Back from AHA, report on Task Force on Disability and Paul Longmore Tribute &#171; Knitting Clio</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/01/09/a-violent-reaction-to-sad-news/#comment-16415</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Back from AHA, report on Task Force on Disability and Paul Longmore Tribute &#171; Knitting Clio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Speaking of stigma&#8211; it disgusts me  how quickly even liberal bloggers are using ableist words like &#8220;nutcase&#8221; and &#8220;whacko&#8221; to describe the man who shot Congresswoman Giffords and others at a public event in Arizona yesterday.  According to vaughanbell at Mind Hacks.&#8220; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Speaking of stigma&#8211; it disgusts me  how quickly even liberal bloggers are using ableist words like &#8220;nutcase&#8221; and &#8220;whacko&#8221; to describe the man who shot Congresswoman Giffords and others at a public event in Arizona yesterday.  According to vaughanbell at Mind Hacks.&#8220; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/01/09/a-violent-reaction-to-sad-news/#comment-16414</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Casey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course you won&#039;t hear anyone talk about this in the coming weeks. Since when is the media concerned with details about science?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course you won&#8217;t hear anyone talk about this in the coming weeks. Since when is the media concerned with details about science?</p>
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		<title>By: Knitting Clio</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2011/01/09/a-violent-reaction-to-sad-news/#comment-16410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Knitting Clio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for getting this out so quickly -- I had exactly the same reaction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for getting this out so quickly &#8212; I had exactly the same reaction.</p>
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