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		<title>By: Bangkok Post: On-Line suicide spark Thai concern over web-cam &#171; Center for Morality &#38; Ethics News Study</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2010/10/21/searching-for-the-off-switch/#comment-15276</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bangkok Post: On-Line suicide spark Thai concern over web-cam &#171; Center for Morality &#38; Ethics News Study]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 06:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Självmord på internet &#8211; radiodokumentär &#124; Wemind</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2010/10/21/searching-for-the-off-switch/#comment-12578</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Självmord på internet &#8211; radiodokumentär &#124; Wemind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2010 15:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] BBC har nu en radiodokumentär om den komplexa kommunikationen mellan suicidala personer i chatrum.  Mind Hacks, som tipsar om programmet, skriver såhär: “Bortsett från att programmet är baserat på [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] BBC har nu en radiodokumentär om den komplexa kommunikationen mellan suicidala personer i chatrum.  Mind Hacks, som tipsar om programmet, skriver såhär: “Bortsett från att programmet är baserat på [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pacquiao Margarito</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pacquiao Margarito]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 15:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being in the suicidal state is really a damn one. Am thankful with my families who stayed with me and never let me fall into it. It is a matter of understanding the consequences and the effects. Closed family ties really counts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being in the suicidal state is really a damn one. Am thankful with my families who stayed with me and never let me fall into it. It is a matter of understanding the consequences and the effects. Closed family ties really counts.</p>
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		<title>By: talesofacrazypsychmajor</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2010/10/21/searching-for-the-off-switch/#comment-12128</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 13:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve spent some time in a pro-suicide chat room. I don&#039;t feel anyone was preying on me or taking advantage. 
There are a lot of support site online that are not pro-suicide and those can be great. But sometimes when feeling really really down they stop being helpful. There&#039;s a point where you loose the support and everyone switches to &quot;go to the hospital now&quot;. It make it so I have to censor myself even in an anonymous forum, because people get so caught up with the suicide issue they miss the pain.

In the pro-suicide chat I&#039;ve visited specific methods can&#039;t be discussed in the chat though the chat is closely associated with a list of methods. Being able to talk about suicide and not worry about people freaking out about it helps a lot.

In therapy where theoretically a person should be able to talk about anything there&#039;s a line about how much a person can talk about suicide before the therapist takes action. Hospitalizations are basically expensive babysitting. It creates a new problem through the disruption of my life. What I really need is a person to deal with the full extent of the problem and help me get through it. Unfortunately I have to censor myself in therapy to avoid disruptive reactions. That&#039;s why resources like these pro suicide groups can be very helpful. They are one of the only few places to talk freely about something that needs to be spoken about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve spent some time in a pro-suicide chat room. I don&#8217;t feel anyone was preying on me or taking advantage.<br />
There are a lot of support site online that are not pro-suicide and those can be great. But sometimes when feeling really really down they stop being helpful. There&#8217;s a point where you loose the support and everyone switches to &#8220;go to the hospital now&#8221;. It make it so I have to censor myself even in an anonymous forum, because people get so caught up with the suicide issue they miss the pain.</p>
<p>In the pro-suicide chat I&#8217;ve visited specific methods can&#8217;t be discussed in the chat though the chat is closely associated with a list of methods. Being able to talk about suicide and not worry about people freaking out about it helps a lot.</p>
<p>In therapy where theoretically a person should be able to talk about anything there&#8217;s a line about how much a person can talk about suicide before the therapist takes action. Hospitalizations are basically expensive babysitting. It creates a new problem through the disruption of my life. What I really need is a person to deal with the full extent of the problem and help me get through it. Unfortunately I have to censor myself in therapy to avoid disruptive reactions. That&#8217;s why resources like these pro suicide groups can be very helpful. They are one of the only few places to talk freely about something that needs to be spoken about.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well if the &quot;Golden Gate&quot; dismissives won&#039;t help, maybe your own CMHT can...

http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/5028_lack_of_care_led_to_mans_suicide

Note, the same pyschiatrist here...  

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dqGKztqmJWIJ:archive.thisislancashire.co.uk/2003/2/11/567581.html+dr+julian+mason+dismissive&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=uk

Psychiatry doesn&#039;t understand experiences.  It just worries about middle-class house-prices...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well if the &#8220;Golden Gate&#8221; dismissives won&#8217;t help, maybe your own CMHT can&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/5028_lack_of_care_led_to_mans_suicide" rel="nofollow">http://www.getreading.co.uk/news/s/5028_lack_of_care_led_to_mans_suicide</a></p>
<p>Note, the same pyschiatrist here&#8230;  </p>
<p><a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dqGKztqmJWIJ:archive.thisislancashire.co.uk/2003/2/11/567581.html+dr+julian+mason+dismissive&#038;cd=1&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=uk" rel="nofollow">http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dqGKztqmJWIJ:archive.thisislancashire.co.uk/2003/2/11/567581.html+dr+julian+mason+dismissive&#038;cd=1&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;gl=uk</a></p>
<p>Psychiatry doesn&#8217;t understand experiences.  It just worries about middle-class house-prices&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Suicide Chatrooms Fachschaft Cognitive Science</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2010/10/21/searching-for-the-off-switch/#comment-12123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; Suicide Chatrooms Fachschaft Cognitive Science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: djbaxter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[djbaxter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2010 04:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Despite the programme being a carefully researched and nuanced exploration of the issues, let me just note that it is sold on a stupid premise, namely &#039;Is the internet encouraging vulnerable people to kill themselves?&#039;

People in passing cars have apparently been known to shout &#039;jump!&#039; to suicidal people on the Golden Gate Bridge but you would never see an article entitled &#039;Is the transport system encouraging vulnerable people to kill themselves?&#039; &quot;

You&#039;repremise is wrong, for a start, making the &quot;traffic&quot; comment irrelevant and sensationalist.

No one is claiming that &quot;the internet is encouraging people to kill themselves&quot;. Indeed, there are numerous sites, as you know, that work very hard to do the opposite. 

But have you actually vistied and taken a careful look at what goes on in pro-suicide forum communities? or pro-anorexia forum communisties? What happens there is not just encouragement of life-threatening behavior. It is normalization of that behavior, normalization with the element of competition.

If you have taken a personal look at these sites, look again. They are dangerous, in a very insidious way, and they prey upon vulnerable people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Despite the programme being a carefully researched and nuanced exploration of the issues, let me just note that it is sold on a stupid premise, namely &#8216;Is the internet encouraging vulnerable people to kill themselves?&#8217;</p>
<p>People in passing cars have apparently been known to shout &#8216;jump!&#8217; to suicidal people on the Golden Gate Bridge but you would never see an article entitled &#8216;Is the transport system encouraging vulnerable people to kill themselves?&#8217; &#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;repremise is wrong, for a start, making the &#8220;traffic&#8221; comment irrelevant and sensationalist.</p>
<p>No one is claiming that &#8220;the internet is encouraging people to kill themselves&#8221;. Indeed, there are numerous sites, as you know, that work very hard to do the opposite. </p>
<p>But have you actually vistied and taken a careful look at what goes on in pro-suicide forum communities? or pro-anorexia forum communisties? What happens there is not just encouragement of life-threatening behavior. It is normalization of that behavior, normalization with the element of competition.</p>
<p>If you have taken a personal look at these sites, look again. They are dangerous, in a very insidious way, and they prey upon vulnerable people.</p>
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