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	<title>Comments on: Hack #102 : Alter Input With Expectations</title>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Dec 2004 15:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A friend who read this post wrote to say to me
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Just a quick correction on your latest post about feedback. You state:
&quot;For example, pathways ascend from the eye to the visual cortex (via the lateral geniculate nucleus [Hack #13]), but they also descent from the visual cortex to the eye (again via the lateral geniculate nucleus)&quot;
As far as I know, in mammals, there is no pathway from the visual cortex or LGN to the Retina. There is a pathway from the visual cortex to the LGN however.
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This is probably correct - there is no direct feedback from visual cortex to the retina, but there is feedback from the rest of the brain down the optic nerve towards the retina (see http://webvision.med.utah.edu/fbloops.html, especially section 5 which deals with mammals). So maybe no feedback from visual cortex, but from hypothalamus and maybe other regions. Feedback connections seems generally ill-understood and less celebrated than feed-forward connections. One neuroscientist told me at a conference that to invoke feedback connections in your explanation of a phenomenon was &quot;the last refuge of a scoundrel&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend who read this post wrote to say to me<br />
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Just a quick correction on your latest post about feedback. You state:<br />
&#8220;For example, pathways ascend from the eye to the visual cortex (via the lateral geniculate nucleus [Hack #13]), but they also descent from the visual cortex to the eye (again via the lateral geniculate nucleus)&#8221;<br />
As far as I know, in mammals, there is no pathway from the visual cortex or LGN to the Retina. There is a pathway from the visual cortex to the LGN however.<br />
//end-quote<br />
This is probably correct &#8211; there is no direct feedback from visual cortex to the retina, but there is feedback from the rest of the brain down the optic nerve towards the retina (see <a href="http://webvision.med.utah.edu/fbloops.html" rel="nofollow">http://webvision.med.utah.edu/fbloops.html</a>, especially section 5 which deals with mammals). So maybe no feedback from visual cortex, but from hypothalamus and maybe other regions. Feedback connections seems generally ill-understood and less celebrated than feed-forward connections. One neuroscientist told me at a conference that to invoke feedback connections in your explanation of a phenomenon was &#8220;the last refuge of a scoundrel&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: botono9</title>
		<link>http://mindhacks.com/2004/12/10/hack-102-alter-input-with-expectations/#comment-8620</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2004 16:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert Anton Wilson talks a lot about this phenomenon and its relationship to mysticism.  The mechanism described above is the answer to the koan &quot;Who is the master who makes the grass green?&quot;  Light reflected off a blade of grass enters our eyes, information is transferred to our brains which organize the information and produce for us an image, which is the green-ness of the grass.  Our experience of the grass is not the grass alone, nor is it our nervous system alone, but a combination of the two.  The word yoga comes from the same root as yolk and essentially means &quot;to bind two things together&quot;.  Hence, our experience is the yoga of the objective world and our nervous system.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Anton Wilson talks a lot about this phenomenon and its relationship to mysticism.  The mechanism described above is the answer to the koan &#8220;Who is the master who makes the grass green?&#8221;  Light reflected off a blade of grass enters our eyes, information is transferred to our brains which organize the information and produce for us an image, which is the green-ness of the grass.  Our experience of the grass is not the grass alone, nor is it our nervous system alone, but a combination of the two.  The word yoga comes from the same root as yolk and essentially means &#8220;to bind two things together&#8221;.  Hence, our experience is the yoga of the objective world and our nervous system.</p>
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